Churches are some of the most segregated places in America. But two pastors in Oakland are trying an experiment — to merge a white congregation and a black congregation into one house of worship, called Tapestry Church.
It all began one day when Kyle Brooks was running late.
Brooks was the pastor of Oakland Communion, a small mostly white church of newcomers to the city. He was attending the Bay Area Clergy Cohort, a social justice conference for Christian leaders, and stumbled into a group exercise after it had already started.
A facilitator had placed chairs in a pyramid shape. One at the front, then two behind it, then three, and four, and so on. The instructions were simple, sit in the chair that represents your place in society.
Bernard Emerson, the pastor of a small black church called The Way, was on time. He knew exactly where he would sit. As a black man in America, Emerson took a seat in the back row.
By the time Brooks got there, there was only one seat left for him to take as a young white man, the single one right at the front. Right at the top of the privilege pyramid.
"If I'm sitting all the way in the front," Brooks said, "the people I need to be talking to are the people all the way in the back." Bernard Emerson just happened to be there, in the back row.
That is the "meet-cute" story of their bromance, the one they like to tell. The two started talking and soon realized they were spiritual soulmates. They even quote the same passages from the Bible, like Jesus' prayer in John 17: "Father make them one, as you and I are one."
The two men came from different faith traditions. Brooks was steeped in the Christian Reformed Church and Emerson, whose father was also a pastor, was raised in the American Baptist church.
Emerson said they made a conscious decision to put their friendship and shared love for God ahead of any differences in their spiritual traditions. "We decided then that we would be better brothers than we were pastors," Emerson said.
It was not just bible passages the two had in common. They shared a dream of leading a multi-ethnic church. They talked a lot about what it would mean to create a church in the way that they had created their friendship, rooted in mutual respect and love.
"The point of the church," Brooks said, "is to be a display of God's love for the world. And we can not do that effectively if we do not love each other."
"It was always the intent of our Lord that the church be multi-ethnic," said Emerson. But that is not been the way church has historically been in America.
There is an infamous Martin Luther King Jr quote about exactly this, made in an appearance on NBC's Meet The Press in 1960. "I think it is one of the tragedies of our nation," King said, "one of the shameful tragedies of our nation, that 11 o'clock on a Sunday morning is one of the most segregated hours, if not the most segregated hours, in Christian America."
Things have changed slightly since King said that, but not a lot.
"The vast majority of people who go to church, go to church that is racially and ethnically homogeneous," says Brooks. According to a National Congregation Study, funded by Pew Research, 8 out of 10 American church-goers attend a congregation that looks just like them.
That was the case at both Brooks' and Emerson's small churches. For Pastor Emerson, it was especially true; a lot of his congregants are actually members of his extended family, so they really do look like him.
While that Martin Luther King Jr. quote is often paraphrased and repeated, it's not all he said that day. "Any church that stands against integration and that has a segregated body, is standing against the spirit of Jesus Christ and it fails to be a true witness," he said. He admitted his own church was also not integrated. It was King's belief that the church would not, like schools in America, be integrated through legal processes or outside pressure. American churches would only integrate if they decided to do the work themselves.
Which brings us to Pastor Kyle Brooks and Pastor Bernard Emerson. They knew creating an inter-racial church was not going to be easy, but they kept kicking the idea around. They would take long walks through Oakland's Dimond District and dream about it out loud. Maybe at some point in the future, they thought.
Then a year ago, Neo-Nazis marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, and they felt like they could no longer wait.
First, they had to break it to their congregations.
"I saw it on facebook, and instantly I typed back, 'oh my god, this is exactly what I've been looking for,'" said LaSonya Brown, who had been attending Emerson's church, The Way, for about a year. "I'll be the first one to join," she said.
Brown was raised in a black church with only two white people in it. One was her godfather, who had married into the black community, the other was a white woman who would "speak in tongues, and then translate the tongue."
"I never knew her name, but I'll never forget her," Brown said. Despite it being different than what she had known before, Brown welcomed the idea of an inclusive congregregation. "I think it was something that I wanted, but I didn't realize that I wanted it until I saw his post," she said.
At first she thought it was going to happen instantly, just everyone showing up to church together. But it is not that easy to flip the switch on hundreds of years of segregated worship.
"It's much more complicated than that," Brown said. "You don't think that your life is different than somebody else," but it can be. In an ideal world, she said, people want to think about what they have in common and not their differences.
But we do not live in that ideal world of race relations. "There's a lot of things that we don't do in common," she said. "But we do want to know how to be together."
Each church individually went through months of workshops and classes, owning up to their own fears about what merging would mean.
Many people in Pastor Brooks' white congregation were afraid of being uncomfortable. There was a feeling of discomfort around everything from different hymns, to the service being in a different neighborhood, to different styles of worship. There was also discomfort in having to face up to their responsibility, as white people, in ongoing American racism. Everyone in the church was excited about the merger, but that did not make it easy.
Pastor Emerson's congregation was also supportive, and not just because they are largely family. The black congregants of The Way had different fears, fears that they might not be welcomed. Emerson said some of them asked, "will they accept us for who we are?"
"I was afraid that the person that I think I am, is not the person that I really am," said LaSonya Brown. She worried she might find out she was not as open to difference as she wanted to be, that she might not be the person who saw her Pastor's post on facebook and declared she would be the first to sign to up for an integrated church.
There have been tests, like tensions over what kind of food to serve at coffee hour. A couple of interactions came off as rude. Brown said she thinks it may be similar to people speaking different languages, and things get lost in translation. They are still learning how to talk to each other.
"I remember telling my momma, 'momma, you know this happened, I might find another church,' but then every Sunday I go, every Sunday I go," Brown said. "And I can't leave my church because I love my church."
Her church now, the church she loves, is no longer The Way, because after months of talking and getting to know each other and learning each other's songs, this past June, the two churches became one: Tapestry Church.
On a recent Sunday morning, about 25 people gathered in an East Oakland school cafeteria with children's paintings of flowers on the walls.
The pastors say they've retained most of their original congregants. Not everyone comes every Sunday. They are still a small church.
Brooks and Emerson take turns preaching, but they talk through their sermons together. There's a melding of worship styles on display. The black church is well known for a vociferous call and response, something Brooks is really excited about. "It helps!" he said. "It's a dialogue and a feedback."
"One of the cool things I love is that there are some people who have never done it, but inspired by some else, they yell out," Brooks said.
"This has been a prayer answered," said Kim Emerson, Pastor Emerson's wife. "It was always our dream to have a multi-ethnic church and that wasn't happening. It sometimes seems like you draw like-minded, or like-looking, people."
Now, they are drawing some new congregants. After service they hold events like 'Pizza with Pastors,' trying to get newcomers to stick around. The pastors tell their origin story, and people stay and eat and talk with each other.
Dwight Davis and his husband moved to Oakland 14 years ago. Davis says they have probably visited every church in Oakland, but they keep coming back to Tapestry.
"We're gay people," Davis said. "So it's nice to come into a place and not feel everybody's like, 'you're going to burn before me,' you know?"
They had been searching for a diverse congregation, "where the communities came together and we could be apart of both."
But Davis says it felt awkward to show up at a traditionally black church, especially with so many African American residents being displaced from Oakland by waves of mostly white newcomers. "You know with the gentrification and everything" Davis said, he felt uncomfortable at some churches, like he was "treading on somebody's territory."
"In these times you want to be sensitive to people's sanctuary," he said. "I don't want to be that one person who interrupts someone's sanctuary."
The pastors say that integrating America's most segregated hour is not an easy, one-step process. It can be uncomfortable. There is no magic spell that allows you to snap your fingers and have it all be harmonious overnight.
"You're actually bringing people together who have deep and long and somewhat painful, traumatic histories with each other," said Brooks.
It will take time and love, alongside a willingness to be uncomfortable and honest. It will take people coming back Sunday after Sunday.
Sandhya Dirks is a reporter at member station KQED
SCOTT SIMON, HOST:
Most people go to church with people who look like them. In 1960, Martin Luther King Jr. described Sunday morning as the most segregated hour in Christian America. He called on churches to become more diverse - so far, not a lot of progress. Now two churches in Oakland, Calif., are trying to meet that challenge to integrate by becoming one congregation. Sandhya Dirks, of member station KQED, reports it's not easy.
SANDHYA DIRKS, BYLINE: When Pastor Bernard Emerson met Pastor Kyle Brooks, they knew they were spiritual soulmates. For example, they liked to quote the same passages from the Bible.
BERNARD EMERSON: Jesus's prayer in John 17 was, father, make them one...
KYLE BROOKS: Father, make them one as you and I are one.
EMERSON: ....As you and I are one.
BROOKS: The point, in some ways, of the church is to be a display of God's love for the world. And we cannot do that effectively if we don't love each other.
DIRKS: Brooks says they both wondered how people could love each other - could be one - if they weren't in the same room.
BROOKS: The vast majority of people in the United States who go to church go to a church that is racially and ethnically homogenous.
DIRKS: According to a national congregation study, 8 out of 10 American churchgoers attend a congregation in which a single racial or ethnic group is in the vast majority. That was the case at both Brooks' and Emerson's small churches. For Pastor Emerson, it was extra true. A lot of his congregants or members of his extended family. His congregation called The Way was a black church in the American Baptist tradition. Brooks ran Oakland Communion, a church of mostly white newer residents. He comes from the Christian Reformed tradition. Emerson says, despite all their differences, the two pastors kept talking about their shared vision for an integrated church.
EMERSON: It was always the intent of our Lord that the church be multiethnic.
DIRKS: They kept kicking around the idea - until a year ago, when Neo-Nazis marched in Charlottesville, Va. That was their sign that it was time. So first, they told their congregants.
LASONYA BROWN: I saw it on Facebook. And then instantly I typed back, oh, my God, this is exactly what I've been looking for. I'll be the first one to join.
DIRKS: That's LaSonya Brown. She was raised in the black church. At first, she thought they would just integrate overnight.
BROWN: It's much more complicated than that. You don't think that your life is different than somebody else because you tend to want to think that - what you guys have in common, not the differences. I know that's the way I think.
DIRKS: Brown says they did months of classes at each church - being really real about their fears. All that preparation, she says, was necessary.
BROWN: There's a lot of things that we don't do in common. You know, but we do want to know how to, you know, be together.
DIRKS: The music was different. Each congregation is learning a whole new set of hymns. And there were tensions over what kind of food to serve at coffee hour. Some of those interactions came off as rude. For a flash, Brown thought about going somewhere else. But she loves her church.
EMERSON: Welcome to Tapestry Church.
DIRKS: On a recent Sunday morning, around 25 people gather in a school cafeteria in East Oakland.
BROOKS: I believe in the Holy Spirit.
DIRKS: The pastors say they've retained most of their original congregants - though not everyone comes every Sunday. They're still a small church. Some new congregants are showing up now, looking for a place where they feel welcome.
DWIGHT DAVIS: We're gay people, you know. So it's nice to be able to come into the place and not feel like everybody's like, hmm, you're going to burn before me, you know? (Laughter).
DIRKS: Dwight Davis and his husband to Oakland 14 years ago. They wanted a racially diverse congregation. But Davis says it can feel awkward to just show up at a traditionally black church, especially when gentrification can make black Oaklanders feel threatened.
DAVIS: In these times, you know, you want to be sensitive to people's sanctuary. You know, I don't want to be that one person who interrupts somebody's sanctuary.
DIRKS: You can't just magically make it all better, says Pastor Kyle Brooks.
BROOKS: You're actually bringing people together who have deep and long and somewhat painful, traumatic histories with each other.
DIRKS: Building an intentionally diverse congregation means sacrificing comfort, says Pastor Bernard Emerson. That means sometimes putting relationships ahead of traditions.
EMERSON: We had to be better brothers to each other than we were pastors.
DIRKS: Both pastors say the way you integrate a church is one Sunday at a time. For NPR News, I'm Sandhya Dirks in Oakland. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.